Episode Details

Kevin Loaec is the CEO of Wizardsardine: the Bitcoin company that builds Liana wallet, a powerful piece of software which optimizes for inheritance. In this episode, Kevin explains why miniscript matters & how he rates the most popular hardware wallets. Time Stamps: 00:00:00 – Intro & Wizardsardine name lore 00:02:00 – What Liana is: timelocks, backups, inheritance 00:04:30 – Company treasuries & relaxing multisig 00:06:00 – Cosigner cascades, Unchained, Casa, layer-one scripting 00:07:00 – Lightning, fees & why Liana stays on L1 00:08:20 – Ordinals, filters, Luke Jr & permissionlessness 00:12:00 – Soft forks, miner majorities & node power 00:16:40 – Full RBF year, inscription drama & word games 00:19:40 – Sovereign rollups, BitVM & collateral damage from filters 00:22:40 – Blockstream funding vs broader developer funding 00:24:20 – Kevin's "just use Bitcoin" fee tweet 00:28:50 – Inscriptions, Ethereum narratives & immutability branding 00:31:30 – Miniscript origin story via Revault 00:33:30 – Hardware wallet Miniscript adoption timeline 00:35:00 – Why Miniscript beats hand-rolled Script 00:39:00 – Breaking Bitcoin, BTC Azores & Chatham House rules 00:44:00 – Conference economics & toxic maximalist t-shirt drama 00:45:40 – Dracula Bitcoin Romania pitch 00:50:15 – Supra Cycle vs Toyota Supra 00:55:30 – Ledger: hardware praise, Live & Recover critique 01:00:50 – Keep the device, ditch Ledger Live; Jade affordability 01:02:20 – Trezor Safe 3, Tropic Square & secure elements 01:05:30 – ATECC designs, side channels & BIP39 passphrases 01:08:30 – Passphrase UX: Trezor T, Ledger, BitBox 01:10:00 – Airgaps, Coldcard, cables & bigger screens for descriptors 01:14:40 – Why try Liana; Bitcoin Core requirement; device support 01:17:40 – Electrum vs Miniscript; where to follow Kevin