Episode Details

In this episode of the Biblical Anarchy podcast, Jacob sits down to talk with Gregory Baus, one of the hosts of the Reformed Libertarians Podcast. The focus was on the confessionally Reformed "political resistance" or prescriptive-office view of Romans 13 (although the interpretation and its logical argumentation doesn't exclusively depend upon being confessionally reformed). The discussion delved into the biblical interpretation regarding civil governance ordained by God, diverging from the prevalent providential view often associated with the state's role.

The episode referenced crucial articles and discussions, including a Reformed Libertarians article available. It explored the writings of early church fathers like Tertullian and Chrysostom, providing insights into the prescriptive nature of the higher powers ordained by God.

The prescriptive-office view emphasizes the delineation between God's providential ordination and a required task within an office. It highlighted the task of civil governance specified in verses 3 and 4 of Romans 13: being a force against wrongdoing while not being a terror to good works.

The discussion addressed objections regarding God's sovereignty, the nature of rulers, taxation, and the prescription of punishment within the context of civil crimes versus broader sin, and more.

The prescriptive or non-statist interpretation is multi-faceted, and considers the evolution of covenants and the limitations of applying Old Testament concepts to contemporary governance. The conversation challenged traditional perspectives, examining the compatibility of just civil authority with Christian principles, contrasted with the historical norms and inherent nature of the State (beyond the confines of a specific historical empire).

This thought-provoking episode challenges conventional interpretations of Romans 13, offering a fresh perspective on the relationship between civil governance and biblical principles.

 

00:00 Start 00:31 Introduction 03:44 Summary of the view A prescriptive, not providential, ordination concerning an office, so submission is with respect to the administration of civil justice (and resistance to unjust rulers and unjust laws is not forbidden) 10:29 First Objection Doesn't Romans 13 require us to submit to the state (or other de facto rulers) because God uses evil to punish sin and accomplish His plans? No, this confuses general providence and/or 'natural' consequences for God's special symbolic (and temporary) old covenant arrangement. Now that Christ has accomplished salvation and established the new covenant, the only judgment will be the coming Final Judgment at Christ's return. 24:17 Second Objection Doesn't the fact that the word "rulers" is used mean that Romans 13 is referring to ALL those who claim or wield coercive power, including the state? No, it is using "rulers" and other terms to refer exclusively to legitimate civil rulers in their actually administering civil justice. 33:04 Follow-up Doesn't Romans 13 simply describe rulers rather than prescribe what counts as a ruler? No, similar to other passages, such as Hebrews 13:17, there is an imperative to submit to those that fit a description, and what is described entails a prescribed office that God ordains. 41:20 Third Objection Doesn't Romans 13 require us to pay taxes, so how could it not be speaking about the state? No, Scripture never requires simply paying taxes. We are only required to pay whatever we actually owe. Jesus, likewise, only says that Caesar's own property belongs to Caesar and should be given to him. There are legitimate examples of "tribute" and "custom" that are not state taxes. 49:33 Fourth Objection Isn't this view bringing in an ideology alien to the text and improperly reading Romans 13 in reverse by imposing a prescription from later verses onto earlier verses that are speaking of providence if taken on their own terms? No, thi