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An Anthropology of the Manosphere (Featuring Sandman)
Sandman, a pioneering figure in the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) movement, joins Malcolm and Simone to trace its evolution. They discuss the roots in Men's Rights Activism and pickup artistry. Sandman explains how society tries to reel MGTOW men back in since they refuse to participate in traditional relationships. He predicts virtual girlfriends, declining birth rates, and other tech changing dynamics. While unsure where it's heading, Sandman helped catalyze the withdrawal of men from unfair systems.
Transcript:
Sandman: [00:00:00] I had dolls sent to me for free to review and post on my channel. And for a while I was promoting the technology it weighs 70 like you get a workout before you work, get into bed like you're like ready to fall over before you, you're like, imagine changing positions on this thing three or four times.
Sandman: You're out. You're white. You're like, it's like getting a full workout in the gym. . Yeah,
Malcolm: your doll bod. Yeah, your doll bod. Yes. Yes.
Would you like to know more?
Simone: Hello. We are very excited to be joined today by sandman MGTOW the preeminent MGTOW figure talking head, or I guess I should say faceless talking head.
Simone: You're very mysterious. Representing the movement of men who've chosen to go their own way, which is for those not familiar with it, basically, a lot of men have realized that they're getting a really raw deal in society and they're like, you know what, I'm out, I'm not going to opt into traditional female relationships, a lot of this b******t, and I, for one, am here for it.
Simone: It makes a lot [00:01:00] of sense to me. I think if I were a guy, I'd be a MGTOW guy.
Malcolm: And what I am excited to talk about on this podcast is the anthropology of MGTOW, the anthropological history, and it can start when you started getting involved with it or where you saw who were the figures who were the progenitors of the movement?
Malcolm: How did it first start? What communities did it start in? How did it spread? What have been the major trials of the community? I am just very interested to see it as a cultural movement.
Sandman: Okay, so you had MGTOW 1. 0. And that was around, the early 2000s and the idea was. We were going to take masculinity and instill it in men and we're gonna take femininity instill it in women So it was more like back to tradition, but this is back in 2000 And so that didn't really go anywhere up until about 2008 2009 and then a creator named Barbarossa showed up And he made a video called, I think it was called post feminist man.
Sandman: And he did, [00:02:00] he basically laid the foundations for MGTOW all the way from 12. Then, another creator named Stardusk was around back then. And then when I came in around mid to end of 2013, it was dying down. Nobody was really making content. When I always look at an opportunity in any avenue, like in, in terms of economics or attention or whatever you want to do, I look at something that's something I want a lot of.
Sandman: I want some content. I want something, but there's not enough people supplying that content. So before we go
Malcolm: further on this, because I think you've already passed this in the timeline. How did MGTOW relate to the red pill movement?
Sandman: So you've got, you get the MRAs, which are the men's rights. Activists,
Malcolm: and they're old school. They were back up in like in the
Sandman: nineties, right? But every generation of men has a different movement at the center. So the RAs were, let's say the second half of the boomers and the first half of Gen X, that was the, that's the MRA sweet spot.
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