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With the demand for excellent mental health care at its all-time peak, it’s a good thing people like Tracy Defina dared to go back to school — for many years — to get a PhD in counseling. This is the story of how she pulled off this enormous achievement in the middle of life already teeming with to-dos.

My conversation with Tracy is the first of a 4-part series called How’d You Do That? With women who made radical changes to their lives well after most of their peers had settled into a given way of life. (Replay)

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