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Building the AI × UX Scenius — with Linus Lee of Notion AI
Description
Read: https://www.latent.space/p/ai-interfaces-and-notion
Show Notes
* Notion
Timestamps
* [00:03:30] Starting the AI / UX community
* [00:10:01] Most knowledge work is not text generation
* [00:16:21] Finding the right constraints and interface for AI
* [00:19:06] Linus' journey to working at Notion
* [00:23:29] The importance of notations and interfaces
* [00:26:07] Setting interface defaults and standards
* [00:32:36] The challenges of designing AI agents
* [00:39:43] Notion deep dive: “Blocks”, AI, and more
* [00:51:00] Prompt engineering at Notion
* [01:02:00] Lightning Round
Transcript
Alessio: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO in residence at Decibel Partners. I'm joined by my co-host Swyx, writer and editor of Latent Space. [00:00:20]
Swyx: And today we're not in our regular studio. We're actually at the Notion New York headquarters. Thanks to Linus. Welcome. [00:00:28]
Linus: Thank you. Thanks for having me. [00:00:29]
Swyx: Thanks for having us in your beautiful office. It is actually very startling how gorgeous the Notion offices are. And it's basically the same aesthetic. [00:00:38]
Linus: It's a very consistent aesthetic. It's the same aesthetic in San Francisco and the other offices. It's been for many, many years. [00:00:46]
Swyx: You take a lot of craft in everything that you guys do. Yeah. [00:00:50]
Linus: I think we can, I'm sure, talk about this more later, but there is a consistent kind of focus on taste that I think flows down from Ivan and the founders into the product. [00:00:59]
Swyx: So I'll introduce you a little bit, but also there's just, you're a very hard person to introduce because you do a lot of things. You got your BA in computer science at Berkeley. Even while you're at Berkeley, you're involved in a bunch of interesting things at Replit, CatalystX, Hack Club and Dorm Room Fund. I always love seeing people come out of Dorm Room Fund because they tend to be a very entrepreneurial. You're a product engineer at IdeaFlow, residence at Betaworks. You took a year off to do independent research and then you've finally found your home at Notion. What's one thing that people should know about you that's not on your typical LinkedIn profile? [00:01:39]
Linus: Putting me on the spot. I think, I mean, just because I have so much work kind of out there, I feel like professionally, at least, anything that you would want to know about me, you can probably dig up, but I'm a big city person, but I don't come from the city. I went to school, I grew up in Indiana, in the middle of nowhere, near Purdue University, a little suburb. I only came out to the Bay for school and then I moved to New York afterwards, which is where I'm currently. I'm in Notion, New York. But I still carry within me a kind of love and affection for small town, Indiana, small town, flyover country. [00:02:10]
Swyx: We do have a bit of indulgence in this. I'm from a small country and I think Alessio, you also kind of identified with this a little bit. Is there anything that people should know about Purdu