Episode Details

There’s a big difference between mass surveillance and targeted surveillance based on a court-approved, limited-scope search warrant. But advances in technology have made warrant-less, dragnet surveillance exceptionally easy and stunningly effective. Local law enforcement agencies have deployed several types of surveillance systems in our communities, but have strongly resisted calls for transparency and oversight. Furthermore, police have simply bypassed the need for a warrant and pesky Fourth Amendment rights by just buying surveillance data from private companies. My guests today – Albert Fox Cahn and Evan Enzer, from the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.) – will explain what’s going on, why it’s a danger to our privacy rights and democratic principles, and what we can do to fix it.

Interview Notes

• Surveillance Technology Oversight Project: https://www.stopspying.org/ 
• STOP on Twitter & TikTok: @STOPSpyingNY
• Donate to S.T.O.P.  https://www.stopspying.org/donate 
• STOP Trojan House report: https://www.stopspying.org/the-trojan-house 
• Public Oversight of Surveillance Technology (POST) Act: https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/about/about-nypd/policy/post-act.page 
• Community Control of Police Surveillance (CCOPS): https://www.eff.org/issues/community-control-police-surveillance-ccops 
• Electronic Frontier Alliance: https://www.eff.org/fight 
• EFF’s Atlas of Surveillance: https://atlasofsurveillance.org/ 

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Table of Contents

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• 0:00:33: Interview setup
• 0:03:26: What is the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project?
• 0:07:57: What are the most common mass surveillance technologies?
• 0:10:15: How does Shot Spotter work and what are the dangers?
• 0:13:02: Do these technologies actually reduce crime?
• 0:14:38: Is law enforcement required to disclose info on these systems?
• 0:17:35: How transparent is the funding around these projects?
• 0:19:21: Who has access to this surveillance data?
• 0:21:20: 9/11 revealed a lack of data sharing – what’s the right balance?
• 0:22:42: Is privately obtained surveillance data subject to 4th Amendment rights?
• 0:23:53: What is the “third party doctrine” and how does it apply here?
• 0:26:15: How does purchased data differ from data obtained via warrant?
• 0:27:56: How does the pr