Episode Details

Summary

Alan Kohler joins Andrew to discuss the FBI’s counterintelligence division. He is a recipient of the FBI Director’s Award for Outstanding Counterintelligence Investigation. 

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What You’ll Learn

Intelligence

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• Counterintelligence vs. Counterespionage
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• How the FBI recruit’s foreign agents 
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• Ideological motivations behind spying
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• Effect of technology on counterintelligence
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Reflections

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• Staying grounded under pressure 
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• The value of creativity
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Notes

Alan Kohler (LinkedIn, Website) has been the FBI Assistant Director for Counterintelligence since 2020. Alan and Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) talk all things counterintelligence.

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• The FBI Way with Counterintelligence Spy Chief Frank Figliuzzi (2021)
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*Beginner Resources*

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• What We Investigate, FBI (n.d.) [webpage]
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• FAQ’S, FBI (n.d.) [webpage]
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• US Opens Counterintelligence Investigation into China Every 12 Hours (Dir. Wray), MSNBC (2022) [video]
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• What We Know About China’s Spy Agency, Bloomberg Originals (2019) [video]
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• Hollow Nickel/Rudolf Abel, FBI (n.d.) [Article]
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• NCSC Mission, Vision, and Goals, ODNI (n.d.) [Website]
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Glossary: 

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• Counterintelligence: Information gathered, and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage or other intelligence activities
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