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Bill and RFM take a deep look at how sex and sexuality were presented within the LDS Church over the last 200 years. What was taboo and sin and to what degree did Leaders impose what could and could not go on the Bedroom.

RAPE & VIRTUE

A.) BOM teaching – Moroni 9:9

1. implemented into Gospel Principles (David O McKay, Heber J Grant, Spencer W Kimball)
   1. Restated by Marion G Romney
   2. Then by Mark E Petersen ( soundbite)
2. And then the Church seems to distance itself from the teaching …. Sort of
   1. Still in scriptures
   2. No documented way for believers to grasp they are distancing themselves from it.
   3. Elizabeth Smart – led to the distancing
      
3. Neil Anderson ( video is here )
   1. Doctrine is taught by all 15 members of the First Presidency and Q of the 12.
      1. I would challenge believers to show me where I can find any teaching that has been held up and taught by all 15 of the top leadership. 
      2. That list would be so small that there should be no barrier to listing them because if 14 men taught it and one didn’t by this standard it is not Doctrine (Remember God is not a God of Confusion)
      3. So I am left to assume Neil meant that so long as it is taught generally among the Leaders?
      4. Was this teaching in its day taught generally among the leaders?  YES
   2. It is not hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk.
      1. Was this hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk?  NO
      2. It (That Virtue and chastity can be taken from you by an abusive act committed against you and that one is better off dead than having lost their virtue) was taught
         1. By President, Prophet, seer and Revelator David O McKay
         2. By President, Prophet, seer and Revelator Heber J Grant
         3. Marion G Romney Counselor in the First Presidency  (Prophet Seer and Revelator)
         4. By President, Prophet, seer, and Revelator Spencer W Kimball
         5. By Apostle Mark E Petersen (Prophet Seer and Revelator)
         6. In the past correlated curriculum in Gospel Principles
         7. In the Book of Mormon one of the standard works
      3. This is the very reason for which old white men claiming to be moral authorities simply aren’t.  Because not only do they collectively struggle to grasp what healthy morality is and seem to collectively follow each other down the path of perpetuating abusive and unhealthy ideas, but because they also can’t define doctrine in any way that is actually useful to the Church.

ORAL SEX AS AN UNHOLY AND UNNATURAL ACT

A.) Unholy & Unnatural Act

1. THE OLD DEFINITION OF CHASTITY (Old Handbook 21.4.5 Chastity and Fidelity)  “The Lord’s law of chastity is abstinence from sexual relations outside of lawful marriage and fidelity within marriage. Sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife. Adultery, fornication, homosexual or lesbian relations, and every other unholy, unnatural, or impure practice are sinful. Members who violate the Lord’s law of chastity or who influence others to do so are subj