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Beyond Punishment and Reward

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Beyond Punishment and Reward

When you think of the word 

and the meaning of up, 

what's the very next word 

that comes to mind?

Is it down, or something else? 

And if it was something else, 

what would it be? 

When you think of the word…right? 

What do you think of next? 

Do you think of the opposite? 

Do you think of left 

or do you think of wrong? 

Where does your mind naturally go to 

when you consider words that have meanings, 

that appear to have opposite potentials 

When you think of the word here,

As in I'm here, 

then where are you?

Or where am I? 

Are we also here? 

Are we there? 

Are we over there? 

When you think of suffering, 

What comes to mind? 

What comes to heart? 

Is it pleasure 

or the release of suffering? 

We've largely been living in 

an enforced either/or construct, 

even though we're all aware of AND. 

Every concept has a spectrum of possibility.

Yet humans through education 

and certain religions have come to 

create a kind of forced polarity 

competition and separation

This has resulted in a way of thinking 

and being that could be 

an illusion

What do you think? 

Does it feel like an illusion, 

the vacillation between the either/or?

For this politician or not for this politician, 

for this vaccination or not for this vaccination, 

a good person or not a good person

Even when we generalize 

about regions of the world, 

this state is that color, this state is that color. 

and that means what?

Generalizations about entire countries

as if that somehow impacts 

the soul of each person

Does it? What do you think?

How much sovereignty does 

the individual have 

in determining their identity 

and their outcomes 

and what is the path of practice 

or the way to determine one's relationship 

with one's identity? 

Can we truly author it 

or are we just simply stuck with 

what ended up happening 

based on our life story? 

Do we truly reap what we sow? 

We want to think so, 

but then we wonder how people who are sewing, 

terrible things like the poisoning of water, 

the extraction of gas 

through the blowing up of rocks

We want to think that, what? 

What do you want to think about 

those activities? 

Have you even made that and either/or

has it informed your activism? 

The riddle of being is here

We can't understand how someone 

who could be a part of extraction 

that leads to collapse…

How could they do that? 

Don’t they also have a family

and why are they not 

reaping what they're sewing 

or experiencing the karmic wheel sooner? 

Why aren't they stopped 

before they do more damage? 

Sometimes we wish it's more quick, 

whether we acknowledge it secretly or otherwise

What way do you live? 

Do you go about your day 

from waking, to dressing, to eating, 

to walking, to working, 

to being with the pets and the children, 

and your lover, your mother, your father

What approach 

is it chosen 

or a default setting? 

I don't know about you all, 

but I'm interested in exploring 

something other than 

up/down, here/there

good/bad, left/ right

and the punishment and reward structures 

that have been seeped so deeply 

into our consciousness

Such that 

we can barely get out from under it 

to think an original thought

When I think of my path of practice, 

starting with leaving the corporate world, 

leaving the corporate education system, 

going to the mountain to study at

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