Podcast Episodes

Interlude: Tired of Dying | When We All Get to Heaven

The Sunday after Magic Johnson announced his HIV-status, Jim Mitulski preached a sermon on being tired of people dying. We’re sharing it as an interlude, a pause, and an immersion into one moment in …

Published on 10 hours ago

6: Attacked | When We All Get to Heaven

Episode 6

San Francisco’s gay/lesbian community in the 1980s wasn’t just facing an AIDS crisis, they also struggled against ongoing  anti-gay violence. In 1989, in the midst of a campaign to legally establish …

Published on 4 days, 10 hours ago

5: Healing Without a Cure | When We All Get to Heaven

Episode 5

When Rev. Ron Russell Coons got diagnosed with AIDS he thought a lot about what healing meant when death was certain. He pursued it in his strained and broken family relationships and he preached abo…

Published on 1 week, 4 days ago

4: Friends in the Fire | When We All Get to Heaven

Episode 4

As MCC grew as a denomination, they tried to figure out if and how to relate to other churches. Would any befriend a queer church? And if so, would that friendship help other churches shift their per…

Published on 2 weeks, 4 days ago

3: “A Church with AIDS” | When We All Get to Heaven

Episode 3

In the late ‘80s, two MCC San Francisco ministers wrote an article called “We Are the Church Alive, the Church with AIDS.” We wanted to know how a gay/lesbian church came to call itself “a church wit…

Published on 3 weeks, 4 days ago

2: A New Gospel for Gay Sinners | When We All Get to Heaven

Episode 2

Why would an out queer person in the Gay Liberation Days of the 1970s go to church? What church would they go to? And why would they stay? In the 1960s, and ‘70s, the separation between God and gays …

Published on 1 month ago

Making ‘When We All Get to Heaven’

As Outward proudly presents the 10-episode series When We All Get to Heaven, from Eureka Street Productions, Christina and Bryan had the privilege of sitting down with series host Lynne Gerber. Lynne…

Published on 1 month ago

1: Setting The Table | When We All Get to Heaven

Episode 1

In 1993, more than 10 years into the AIDS epidemic, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco (MCC-SF) tries to remember all they’ve lost. We think about remembering too after encountering a…

Published on 1 month ago

Introducing: When We All Get to Heaven

When We All Get to Heaven tells the story of one of the first LGBTQ-positive churches, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco (MCC-SF), and how it faced the personal, social, and politica…

Published on 1 month ago

From What Next: Trans and Shut Out in Trump’s America

Trans rights and access to health care have been under attack on the state level for years, but the second Trump administration and the Supreme Court have accelerated a chilling effect at clinics acr…

Published on 2 months, 1 week ago